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Minutes of Proceedings

44th Parliament, 1st Session
Meeting 52
Monday, February 13, 2023, 3:46 p.m. to 5:53 p.m.
Presiding
Kelly McCauley, Chair (Conservative)

Library of Parliament
• Diana Ambrozas, Analyst
• Ryan van den Berg, Analyst
As an individual
• Dr. Benoit Duguay, Full Professor, Université du Québec à Montréal
• Dr. Paul G. Thomas, Professor Emeritus, Political Studies, University of Manitoba
Centre for Free Expression
• David Hutton, Senior Fellow
Office of the Procurement Ombudsman
• Alexander Jeglic, Procurement Ombudsman
Pursuant to Standing Orders 108(3)(c)(iii) and 108(3)(c)(ix) and the motion adopted by the committee on Wednesday, January 18, 2023, the committee resumed its study of federal government consulting contracts awarded to McKinsey & Company.

David Hutton, Benoit Duguay and Paul G. Thomas made statements and answered questions.

The committee resumed consideration of the motion of Gord Johns moved on Wednesday, February 8, 2023, which read as follows:

That the committee expand its study of the outsourcing of contracts in public services and procurement by increasing the number of meetings in the motion adopted on Wednesday, February 1, 2022, to a minimum of twelve meetings; that the committee invite the most senior executives in Canada from McKinsey & Company, Deloitte, PricewaterhouseCoopers, Accenture, KPMG, and Ernst & Young; and that the committee invite additional witnesses to provide testimony, provided that the parties each provide their lists of additional witnesses to the clerk of the committee, by 3:00 p.m. EST on Tuesday, February 14, 2023, who the Chair shall schedule in a manner that is fair to all parties.

Debate arose thereon.

Amendment

Stephanie Kusie moved, — That the motion be amended by replacing the words “Tuesday, February 14, 2023” with the words “Monday, March 20, 2023”.

After debate, the question was put on the amendment of Stephanie Kusie and it was agreed to.

The motion, as amended, was agreed to and read as follows:

That the committee expand its study of the outsourcing of contracts in public services and procurement by increasing the number of meetings in the motion adopted on Wednesday, February 1, 2022, to a minimum of twelve meetings; that the committee invite the most senior executives in Canada from McKinsey & Company, Deloitte, PricewaterhouseCoopers, Accenture, KPMG, and Ernst & Young; and that the committee invite additional witnesses to provide testimony, provided that the parties each provide their lists of additional witnesses to the clerk of the committee, by 3:00 p.m. EST on Monday, March 20, 2023, who the Chair shall schedule in a manner that is fair to all parties.

Questioning of the witnesses resumed.

At 4:53 p.m., the sitting was suspended.

At 4:55 p.m., the sitting resumed.

Alexander Jeglic made a statement and answered questions.

The committee proceeded to the consideration of matters related to committee business.

It was agreed, — That members of the committee submit their draft recommendations for their report on travel expenditures related to the Office of the Governor General's Secretary since 2014, to the clerk of the committee by 4:00 p.m. on Tuesday, February 28, 2023.

It was agreed, — That the Chair of the committee, in conjunction with the clerk and the analysts, send a letter to McKinsey & Company insisting on the production of the unredacted documents sent for in the motion adopted by the committee on Wednesday, January 18, 2023; and that the committee discuss the unredacted documents in camera to consider redactions requested by McKinsey & Company.

Motion
It was moved — That the Chair send a letter on behalf of the committee to the Information Commissioner to request an investigation into the actions of the Comptroller General regarding his advice to the Chief Financial Officers of the departments to circumvent the Access to Information Act in relation the committee’s study of federal government consulting contracts awarded to McKinsey & Company.

Debate arose thereon.

At 5:53 p.m., the committee adjourned to the call of the Chair.



Aimée Belmore
Clerk of the committee