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Minutes of Proceedings

Standing Committee on Public Safety and National Security (SECU)

45th Parliament, 1st Session

Meeting 44

Tuesday, June 16, 2026, 3:36 p.m. to Wednesday, June 17, 2026, 12:03 a.m.

Room 415, Wellington Building, 197 Sparks Street

Televised

Presiding

Hon. Jean-Yves Duclos, Chair (Liberal)

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Members of the Committee present

Liberal

Conservative

Bloc Québécois

Claude DeBellefeuille

Acting Members present

• Connie Cody for Frank Caputo (Conservative)

• Connie Cody for Chak Au (Conservative)

• John-Paul Danko for Amandeep Sodhi (Liberal)

• John-Paul Danko for Sima Acan (Liberal)

• Andrew Lawton for Dane Lloyd (Conservative)

• Jacob Mantle for Frank Caputo (Conservative)

• Terry Sheehan for Anthony Housefather (Liberal)

• Gabriel Ste-Marie for Claude DeBellefeuille (Bloc Québécois)

Associate Members present

• Sébastien Lemire (Bloc Québécois)

Other Members present

• Tamara Kronis (Conservative)

• Jacob Mantle (Conservative)

• Jenny Kwan (NDP)

• Elizabeth May (Green Party)

In attendance

House of Commons

• Miriam Burke, Procedural Clerk

• Ariane Calvert, Procedural Clerk

• Madeleine Martin, Procedural Clerk

• Jean-François Pagé, Procedural Clerk

Library of Parliament

• Sabrina Charland, Analyst

Bill C-22, An Act respecting lawful access

Witnesses

Canadian Security Intelligence Service

• Ramzi Nashef, Director General, Policy, Planning and Accountability

• Juanita M., Senior Policy Advisor, Policy, Planning and Accountability

Department of Justice

• Kimberly Gibner, Deputy Assistant Deputy Minister, Policy Sector

• Normand Wong, Acting General Counsel, Policy Sector

Department of Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness

• Richard Bilodeau, Assistant Deputy Minister, National and Cyber Security Branch

• Shannon Hiegel, Director General, National Security Policy Directorate

• Fenton Ho, Director, Intelligence Policy

Royal Canadian Mounted Police

• C/Supt Richard Burchill, Director General, Technical Investigation Services

• Sgt Aaron Gilkes, Acting Officer-in-Charge, RCMP Lawful Access

Pursuant to the order of reference of the House of Monday, April 20, 2026, and the motion adopted by the committee on Thursday, April 30, 2026, the committee resumed its study of Bill C-22, An Act respecting lawful access.

The witnesses made statements and answered questions.

The committee resumed its clause-by-clause study of the Bill.

The committee resumed clause-by-clause consideration on Clause 6 of the Bill.

Claude DeBellefeuille moved, — That Bill C-22, in Clause 6, be amended by replacing line 27 on page 7 with the following:

“are reasonable grounds to believe that”

Debate arose thereon.

At 4:10 p.m., the meeting was suspended.

At 5:00 p.m., the meeting resumed.

The committee resumed consideration of the amendment of Claude DeBellefeuille, — That Bill C-22, in Clause 6, be amended by replacing line 27 on page 7 with the following:

“are reasonable grounds to believe that”

At 5:29 p.m., the meeting was suspended.

At 6:20 p.m., the meeting resumed.

The committee resumed consideration of the amendment of Claude DeBellefeuille, — That Bill C-22, in Clause 6, be amended by replacing line 27 on page 7 with the following:

“are reasonable grounds to believe that”

The question was put on the amendment of Claude DeBellefeuille and it was negatived on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Chak Au, Claude DeBellefeuille, Rhonda Kirkland, Andrew Lawton, Jacob Mantle — 5;

NAYS: Sima Acan, Marianne Dandurand, Anthony Housefather, Marcus Powlowski, Jacques Ramsay, Amandeep Sodhi — 6.

Claude DeBellefeuille moved, — That Bill C-22, in Clause 6, be amended by adding after line 3 on page 8 the following:

“(5) An order must not be made if executing it would disclose medical information or information that is subject to solicitor-client privilege or the professional secrecy of advocates and notaries.”

After debate, the question was put on the amendment of Claude DeBellefeuille and it was negatived on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Chak Au, Claude DeBellefeuille, Rhonda Kirkland, Andrew Lawton, Jacob Mantle — 5;

NAYS: Sima Acan, Marianne Dandurand, Anthony Housefather, Marcus Powlowski, Jacques Ramsay, Amandeep Sodhi — 6.

Clause 6, as amended, carried on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Sima Acan, Marianne Dandurand, Anthony Housefather, Rhonda Kirkland, Marcus Powlowski, Jacques Ramsay, Amandeep Sodhi — 7;

NAYS: Chak Au, Claude DeBellefeuille, Andrew Lawton, Jacob Mantle — 4.

On Clause 7,

Claude DeBellefeuille moved, — That Bill C-22, in Clause 7, be amended by replacing lines 18 and 19 on page 8 with the following:

“Form 5.‍00801 that there are reasonable grounds to believe that”

Debate arose thereon.

At 8:05 p.m., the meeting was suspended.

At 9:11 p.m., the meeting resumed.

The committee resumed consideration of the amendment of Claude DeBellefeuille, — That Bill C-22, in Clause 7, be amended by replacing lines 18 and 19 on page 8 with the following:

“Form 5.‍00801 that there are reasonable grounds to believe that”

After debate, the question was put on the amendment of Claude DeBellefeuille and it was negatived on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Chak Au, Frank Caputo, Claude DeBellefeuille, Rhonda Kirkland, Andrew Lawton — 5;

NAYS: Marianne Dandurand, John-Paul Danko, Anthony Housefather, Marcus Powlowski, Jacques Ramsay, Amandeep Sodhi — 6.

Clause 7 carried on division.

Clause 8 carried on division.

On Clause 9,

Pursuant to the order adopted by the committee on Thursday, June 19, 2025, the following amendment, submitted by Jenny Kwan for the consideration of the committee, was deemed moved:

That Bill C-22, in Clause 9, be amended by replacing line 15 on page 9 with the following: “named in the order within 30 days after the service of the order and at the place and in”

Debate arose thereon.

Jacob Mantle moved, — That the amendment be amended by adding after the words “after the service of the order,” the following: “or within such shorter period as is specified in the order where the justice or judge is satisfied that the circumstances make a shorter period necessary,”. 

Debate arose thereon.

At 10:57 p.m., the meeting was suspended.

At 11:20 p.m., the meeting resumed.

At 12:03 a.m., the committee adjourned to the call of the Chair.

Naaman Sugrue

Committee clerk