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Minutes of Proceedings

45th Parliament, 1st Session
Meeting 36
Wednesday, May 6, 2026, 4:42 p.m. to Monday, May 25, 2026, 1:01 p.m.
Televised
Presiding
Charles Sousa, Chair (Liberal)

Library of Parliament
• Martin Auger, Analyst
• Katherine Simonds, Analyst
• Hon. Mr. David J. McGuinty, P.C., M.P., Minister of National Defence
Department of National Defence
• Christiane Fox, Deputy Minister
• LGen Stephen Kelsey, Vice Chief of the Defence Staff, Canadian Armed Forces
• LGen Erick Simoneau, Chief of Military Personnel, Commander Military Personnel Command
• Wendy Hadwen, Assistant Deputy Minister, Policy-Industry
• Heather Sheehy, Assistant Deputy Minister, Materiel
Pursuant to Standing Order 108(2) and the motion adopted by the committee on Monday, February 23, 2026, the committee commenced its study of the impact of the Defence Industrial Strategy.

The Minister made a statement and, with LGen Stephen Kelsey, LGen Erick Simoneau and Heather Sheehy, answered questions.

At 5:43 p.m., the meeting was suspended.

At 5:50 p.m., the meeting resumed.

Questioning of the witnesses resumed.

Motion

James Bezan moved, — That, pursuant to Standing Order 108(2), the Standing Committee on National Defence undertake a study of six meetings regarding the Canadian Armed Forces recruitment and training programs, specifically looking at the changes outlined in the 27 January 2026 memo titled "Initial Observations – Impact of Changes to CAF Recruiting Policies at Basic Training Over 2025", that the committee invite the Minister of National Defence, the Chief of the Defence Staff, the Commandant of the Canadian Forces Leadership and Recruit School, the Chief of Military Personnel, and other expert witnesses; and that the committee report its findings to the House.

Debate arose thereon.

Amendment

Chris Malette moved, —

That the motion be amended by:

  1. replacing the word “six” by the word “four”;
  2. replacing the words after “training programs” and before “that the committee” by the following: “given that the Canadian Armed Forces reached a 30 year high in recruitment this year”;
  3. replacing the words after “the committee invite” and before “and other experts” by the following: “the relevant officials from the Department of National Defence”; and
  4. adding after the words “to the House” the following: “and that pursuant to Standing Order 109, the committee requests a government response.”

Debate arose thereon.

At 6:47 p.m., the meeting was suspended.

At 11:03 a.m., on Monday, May 25, 2026, the meeting resumed.

The committee resumed consideration of the motion of James Bezan moved on Wednesday, May 6, 2026, which read as follows:

That, pursuant to Standing Order 108(2), the Standing Committee on National Defence undertake a study of six meetings regarding the Canadian Armed Forces recruitment and training programs, specifically looking at the changes outlined in the 27 January 2026 memo titled Initial Observations – Impact of Changes to CAF Recruiting Policies at Basic Training Over 2025, that the committee invite the Minister of National Defence, the Chief of the Defence Staff, the Commandant of the Canadian Forces Leadership and Recruit School, the Chief of Military Personnel, and other expert witnesses; and that the committee report its findings to the House.

and of the amendment of Chris Malette moved on Wednesday, May 6, 2026, which read as follows:

That the motion be amended by:

  1. replacing the word “six” by the word “four”;
  2. replacing the words after “training programs” and before “that the committee” by the following: “given that the Canadian Armed Forces reached a 30 year high in recruitment this year”;
  3. replacing the words after “the committee invite” and before “and other experts” by the following: “the relevant officials from the Department of National Defence”; and
  4. adding after the words “to the House” the following: “and that pursuant to Standing Order 109, the committee requests a government response.”
Subamendment

James Bezan moved, — That the amendment be amended by deleting the subparagraph (b).

Debate arose thereon.

The question was put on the subamendment of James Bezan and it was negatived on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Scott Anderson, James Bezan, Cheryl Gallant, Jeff Kibble, Simon-Pierre Savard-Tremblay — 5;

NAYS: Philip Earle, Lori Idlout, Viviane Lapointe, Chris Malette, Sherry Romanado, Tim Watchorn — 6.

The question was put on the amendment of Chris Malette and it was agreed to on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Philip Earle, Lori Idlout, Viviane Lapointe, Chris Malette, Sherry Romanado, Tim Watchorn — 6;

NAYS: Scott Anderson, James Bezan, Cheryl Gallant, Jeff Kibble, Simon-Pierre Savard-Tremblay — 5.

After debate, the question was put on the motion, as amended, and it was agreed to on division.

The motion, as amended, read as follows:

That, pursuant to Standing Order 108(2), the Standing Committee on National Defence undertake a study of four meetings regarding the Canadian Armed Forces recruitment and training programs, given that the Canadian Armed Forces reached a 30 year high in recruitment this year, that the committee invite the relevant officials from the Department of National Defence, and other expert witnesses; that the committee report its findings to the House, and that pursuant to Standing Order 109, the committee requests a government response.

As an individual
• Robert Huebert, Professor, University of Calgary
• Christian Leuprecht, Professor, Royal Military College of Canada and Queen's University
• Richard Shimooka, Senior Fellow, Macdonald-Laurier Institute
Macdonald-Laurier Institute
• Heather Exner-Pirot, Director of Energy, Natural Resources and Environment
Pursuant to Standing Order 108(2) and the motion adopted by the committee on Monday, February 23, 2026, the committee resumed its study of Impact of the Defence Industrial Strategy.

Robert Mueller, Christian Leuprecht, Richard Shimooka and Heather Exner-Pirot made statements and answered questions.

At 12:38 p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 115(5), it was agreed that the committee continue to sit.

Questioning of the witnesses resumed.

The committee proceeded to the consideration of matters related to committee business.

It was agreed, — That the proposed budget in the amount of $32,400, for the study of the impact of the Defense Industrial Strategy, be adopted.

It was agreed, — That, in its study of the North American Aerospace Defense Command (NORAD) modernization, the committee travels to 1 Canadian Air Division at 17 Wing in Winnipeg to look at NORAD Canadian-region operations.

At 1:01 p.m., the committee adjourned to the call of the Chair.



Jean-Denis Kusion
Clerk of the committee