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Minutes of Proceedings

Standing Committee on Finance (FINA)
44th Parliament, 1st Session
Meeting 92
Thursday, May 25, 2023, 11:03 a.m. to 4:34 p.m.
Televised
Presiding
Peter Fonseca, Chair (Liberal)

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• Taylor Bachrach for Daniel Blaikie (NDP)
• Garnett Genuis for Jasraj Singh Hallan (Conservative)
• Brendan Hanley for Sophie Chatel (Liberal)
• Ken Hardie for Julie Dzerowicz (Liberal)
• Marie-France Lalonde for Sophie Chatel (Liberal)
• Anna Roberts for Jasraj Singh Hallan (Conservative)
• Francesco Sorbara for Julie Dzerowicz (Liberal)
• Francesco Sorbara for Sophie Chatel (Liberal)
• Ryan Turnbull for Julie Dzerowicz (Liberal)
Library of Parliament
• Joëlle Malo, Analyst
 
House of Commons
• Philippe Méla, Legislative Clerk
• Émilie Thivierge, Legislative Clerk
Bill C-47, An Act to implement certain provisions of the budget tabled in Parliament on March 28, 2023
Canada Border Services Agency
• Graeme Hamilton, Director General, Traveller, Commercial and Trade Policy
• Andrew Lawrence, Director General, Travellers Transformation
Department of Crown-Indigenous Relations and Northern Affairs
• Tom Isaac, Senior Counsel, Negotiations and Northern Affairs Section
• Alain Therriault, Manager, Policy and Governance
Department of Citizenship and Immigration
• David Chan, Acting Director, Asylum Policy, Performance and Governance Division
• Peter Christensen, Assistant Director, Social and Discretionary Policy and Programs
• Uyen Hoang, Senior Director, Legislation and Program Policy
• Michelle Mascoll, Director General, Resettlement Policy Branch
Department of Employment and Social Development
• Angelina Barrados, Executive Director, Employment Insurance Strategic Policy, Skills and Employment Branch
• Stéphanie Brodeur, Acting Director, Policy and Partnerships Division, Integrity Services Branch, Service Canada
• Benoit Cadieux, Director, Policy Analysis and Initiatives, Skills and Employment Branch
• Mona El Bahar, Acting Director General, Individual Payments and On-Demand Services, Benefits and Integrated Services Branch, Service Canada
• Robert Lalonde, Director, Individual Payments and On-Demand Services, Benefits and Integrated Services Branch, Service Canada
• Neal LeBlanc, Director, Canada Pension Plan Policy and Legislation, Income Security and Social Development Branch
• Anamika Mona Nandy, Director General, Employment Insurance Policy, Skills and Employment Branch
• Sébastien St-Arnaud, Manager, Strategic Policy and Legislative Reform, Strategic Policy, Analysis, and Workplace Information Directorate
• Douglas Wolfe, Senior Director, Strategic Policy and Legislative Reform, Strategic Policy, Analysis and Workplace Information Directorate, Labour Program
Department of the Environment
• Laura Farquharson, Director General, Legislative and Regulatory Affairs, Environmental Protection Branch
• Paola Mellow, Executive Director, Low Carbon Fuels Division
Department of Finance
• Jeffrey Baylis, Analyst, Framework Policy, Division des institutions financières
• Gervais Coulombe, Senior Director, Excise Taxation and Legislation, Sales Tax Division, Tax Policy Branch
• Galen Countryman, Director General, Federal-Provincial Relations and Social Policy Branch
• Darren D'Sa, Senior Advisor
• Anne David, Senior Director, Crown Investment and Asset Management
• Charlene Davidson, Director, Financial Crimes Policy
• Andrew Donnelle, Senior Director, Deferred Income Plans
• Manuel Dussault, Acting Director General, Financial Institutions Division
• Lindsay Gwyer, Director General, Legislation, Tax Legislation Division, Tax Policy Branch
• Erin Hunt, Director General, Financial Crime and Security Division
• Taylor Johnson, Senior Analyst and Economist, Capital Markets Division, Financial Sector Policy Branch
• Suzanne Kennedy, Senior Director, Federal-Provincial Relations
• Pierre Leblanc, Director General, Personal Income Tax Division, Tax Policy Branch
• Warren Light, Expert Advisor, Sales Tax Division, Tax Policy Branch
• Anne Loosen, Senior Project Leader
• Neil Mackinnon, Senior Advisor, Pensions Policy
• Yannick Mondy, Director, Trade and Tariff Policy, International Trade Policy Division
• Pierre Mercille, Director General, Sales Tax Legislation, Sales Tax Division, Tax Policy Branch
• Amanda Riddell, Director, Real Property and Financial Institutions, Sales Tax Division, Tax Policy Branch
• Marie Eve Roy-Marcoux, Director, Financial Sector Integrity and National Security
• Khusro Saeedi, Acting Senior Director, Framework Policy, Financial Institutions Division
• Robert Sample, Director General, Financial Stability and Capital Markets Division, Financial Sector Policy Branch
• Gloria Wong, Director, Crowns Corporations and Currency
• Kathleen Wrye, Director, Pensions Policy, Financial Crimes and Security Division
• James Wu, Director General, Funds Management Division
Department of Fisheries and Oceans
• Robert Brooks, Director, Marine Environmental and Hazards Response
Department of Foreign Affairs, Trade and Development
• Blair Brimmell, Head of Section, Climate and Security, Security and Defence Relations
• Marie-Josée Langlois, Director General, Strategic Policy Branch
Department of Health
• Kim Godard, Acting Director General, Health Product Compliance Directorate, Regulatory Operations and Enforcement Branch
• David K. Lee, Chief Regulatory Officer, Health Products and Food Branch
• Natalie Page, Director General, Natural and Non-Prescription Health Products Directorate
• Dennis Price, Director General, Consumer and Hazardous Products Safety Directorate
• Lindy VanAmburg, Director General, Policy and Programs, Dental Care Task Force
Department of Industry
• Erin Campbell, Director, Marketplace Framework Policy Branch, Patent Policy Directorate
• Samir Chhabra, Director General, Marketplace Framework Policy Branch
• Mitch Davies, Senior Assistant Deputy Minister, Industry Sector
Department of Justice
• Erin Cassidy, Counsel, Criminal Law Policy Section
Department of Public Works and Government Services
• Eugene Gourevitch, Director, Performance and Impact Analysis
Department of Transport
• Amélie Clément, Director, Multimodal Transportation Performance and Capacity Analysis, Economic Analysis and Reseach
• Joel Dei, Director, Rail Policy Analysis and Legislative Initiatives
• Jeffrey Johnson, Manager and Senior Policy Advisor, Environmental Policy
• Alain Langlois, Senior General Counsel and Executive Director, Transport and Infrastructure Legal Services
• Fabien Lefebvre, Acting Executive Director, Oceans Protection Plan Operations
• Julie Mah, Manager and Senior Policy Advisor, Oceans Protection Plan
• François Marier, Director, International Marine Policy
• Ross Munn, Associate Director General, Marine Safety and Security
• Colin Stacey, Director General, Air Policy
National Research Council of Canada
• Marcel Turcot, Director General, Policy, Strategy and Performance
Privy Council Office
• Joël Girouard, Senior Privy Council Officer, Machinery of Government
• Rachel Pereira, Director, Democratic Institutions
Treasury Board Secretariat
• Nicole Thomas, Executive Director, Costing, Charging and Transfer Payments
Pursuant to the order of reference of Tuesday, May 2, 2023, the committee resumed consideration of Bill C-47, An Act to implement certain provisions of the budget tabled in Parliament on March 28, 2023.

Philip Lawrence moved, — That the committee reiterate its desire to hear a total of 20 hours of testimony in relation to Bill C-47, Budget Implementation Act No.1, as agreed to on May 16, 2023 and notwithstanding that motion, the committee not proceed with clause-by-clause consideration of the bill until the committee hears 20 hours of witness testimony.

Debate arose thereon.

RULING BY THE CHAIR

That Terry Beech speak first.

Whereupon, Philip Lawrence appealed the decision of the Chair.

The question: "Shall the decision of the Chair be sustained?" was put and the decision was overturned on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Yvan Baker, Terry Beech, Julie Dzerowicz, Brendan Hanley, Heath MacDonald — 5;

NAYS: Daniel Blaikie, Adam Chambers, Jasraj Singh Hallan, Philip Lawrence, Marty Morantz, Gabriel Ste-Marie — 6.

The debate continued on the motion of Philip Lawrence.

Terry Beech moved, — That the debate be now adjourned.

The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Yvan Baker, Terry Beech, Daniel Blaikie, Julie Dzerowicz, Brendan Hanley, Heath MacDonald — 6;

NAYS: Adam Chambers, Jasraj Singh Hallan, Philip Lawrence, Marty Morantz, Gabriel Ste-Marie — 5.

The committee commenced its clause-by-clause study of the Bill.

Pursuant to Standing Order 75(1), consideration of Clause 1 (short title) was postponed.

The Chair called Clause 2.

After debate, Clause 2 carried on division.

After debate, Clause 3 carried.

Motion

Philip Lawrence moved, — The debate continue on the motion of Philip Lawrence.

At 1:02 p.m., the sitting was suspended.

At 1:21 p.m., the sitting resumed.

The question was put on the motion and it was negatived on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Adam Chambers, Jasraj Singh Hallan, Philip Lawrence, Marty Morantz, Gabriel Ste-Marie — 5;

NAYS: Yvan Baker, Terry Beech, Daniel Blaikie, Julie Dzerowicz, Brendan Hanley, Heath MacDonald — 6.

Motion

Philip Lawrence moved, — That given the committee has yet to achieve its objective of obtaining 20 hours of witness testimony on Bill C-47, notwithstanding the motion adopted by this committee on May 16th, the committee allocate an additional 10 hours for witness testimony and that clause by clause begin immediately following the 20th hour of witness testimony.

Debate arose thereon.

At 4:34 p.m., the committee adjourned to the call of the Chair.



Alexandre Roger,
Alexandre (Sacha) Vassiliev
Clerks of the committee