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Minutes of Proceedings

44th Parliament, 1st Session
Meeting 93
Friday, May 26, 2023, 9:31 a.m. to 2:27 p.m.
Televised
Presiding
Peter Fonseca, Chair (Liberal)

• Mel Arnold for Jasraj Singh Hallan (Conservative)
• Rick Perkins for Philip Lawrence (Conservative)
• Doug Shipley for Adam Chambers (Conservative)
Library of Parliament
• Michaël Lambert-Racine, Analyst
 
House of Commons
• Philippe Méla, Legislative Clerk
Canada Border Services Agency
• Graeme Hamilton, Director General, Traveller, Commercial and Trade Policy
• Andrew Lawrence, Director General, Travellers Transformation
Canadian Home Builders' Association
• Kevin Lee, Chief Executive Officer
Department of Citizenship and Immigration
• David Chan, Acting Director, Asylum Policy, Performance and Governance Division
• Peter Christensen, Assistant Director, Social and Discretionary Policy and Programs
• Uyen Hoang, Senior Director, Legislation and Program Policy
• Michelle Mascoll, Director General, Resettlement Policy Branch
Department of Crown-Indigenous Relations and Northern Affairs
• Tom Isaac, Senior Counsel, Negotiations and Northern Affairs Section
• Lou Spagnuolo, Director General, Northern Contaminated Sites Program Branch
Department of Employment and Social Development
• Angelina Barrados, Executive Director, Employment Insurance Strategic Policy, Skills and Employment Branch
• Stéphanie Brodeur, Acting Director, Policy and Partnerships Division, Integrity Services Branch, Service Canada
• Benoit Cadieux, Director, Policy Analysis and Initiatives, Skills and Employment Branch
• Mona El Bahar, Acting Director General, Individual Payments and On-Demand Services, Benefits and Integrated Services Branch, Service Canada
• Robert Lalonde, Director, Individual Payments and On-Demand Services, Benefits and Integrated Services Branch, Service Canada
• Neal LeBlanc, Director, Canada Pension Plan Policy and Legislation, Income Security and Social Development Branch
• Anamika Mona Nandy, Director General, Employment Insurance Policy, Skills and Employment Branch
• Sébastien St-Arnaud, Manager, Strategic Policy and Legislative Reform, Strategic Policy, Analysis, and Workplace Information Directorate
Department of Finance
• Jeffrey Baylis, Analyst, Framework Policy, Division des institutions financières
• Laura Bourns, Senior Advisor / Economist
• Gervais Coulombe, Senior Director, Excise Taxation and Legislation, Sales Tax Division, Tax Policy Branch
• Galen Countryman, Director General, Federal-Provincial Relations and Social Policy Branch
• Darren D'Sa, Senior Advisor
• Anne David, Senior Director, Crown Investment and Asset Management
• Charlene Davidson, Director, Financial Crimes Policy
• Andrew Donnelle, Senior Director, Deferred Income Plans
• Manuel Dussault, Acting Director General, Financial Institutions Division
• Lindsay Gwyer, Director General, Legislation, Tax Legislation Division, Tax Policy Branch
• Erin Hunt, Director General, Financial Crime and Security Division
• Taylor Johnson, Senior Analyst and Economist, Capital Markets Division, Financial Sector Policy Branch
• Suzanne Kennedy, Senior Director, Federal-Provincial Relations
• Pierre Leblanc, Director General, Personal Income Tax Division, Tax Policy Branch
• Warren Light, Expert Advisor, Sales Tax Division, Tax Policy Branch
• Anne Loosen, Senior Project Leader
• Neil Mackinnon, Senior Advisor, Pensions Policy
• Mark Maxson, Director, Employment and Education, Personal Income Tax Division, Tax Policy Branch
• Pierre Mercille, Director General, Sales Tax Legislation, Sales Tax Division, Tax Policy Branch
• Andrew Otto, Expert Advisor
• Charles Perreault, Director, Reserves Management
• Amanda Riddell, Director, Real Property and Financial Institutions, Sales Tax Division, Tax Policy Branch
• Robert Sample, Director General, Financial Stability and Capital Markets Division, Financial Sector Policy Branch
• Scott Winter, Senior Director, Trade Rules, International Trade Policy Division, International Trade and Finance Branch
• Gloria Wong, Director, Crowns Corporations and Currency
• Kathleen Wrye, Director, Pensions Policy, Financial Crimes and Security Division
Department of Fisheries and Oceans
• Robert Brooks, Director, Marine Environmental and Hazards Response
Department of Foreign Affairs, Trade and Development
• Blair Brimmell, Head of Section, Climate and Security, Security and Defence Relations
• Marie-Josée Langlois, Director General, Strategic Policy Branch
Department of Health
• Kim Godard, Acting Director General, Health Product Compliance Directorate, Regulatory Operations and Enforcement Branch
• Natalie Page, Director General, Natural and Non-Prescription Health Products Directorate
• Dennis Price, Director General, Consumer and Hazardous Products Safety Directorate
• Lindy VanAmburg, Director General, Policy and Programs, Dental Care Task Force
Department of Industry
• Erin Campbell, Director, Marketplace Framework Policy Branch, Patent Policy Directorate
• Samir Chhabra, Director General, Marketplace Framework Policy Branch
Department of Justice
• Erin Cassidy, Counsel, Criminal Law Policy Section
Department of Public Works and Government Services
• Eugene Gourevitch, Director, Performance and Impact Analysis
Department of the Environment
• Laura Farquharson, Director General, Legislative and Regulatory Affairs, Environmental Protection Branch
• Paola Mellow, Executive Director, Low Carbon Fuels Division
Department of Transport
• Amélie Clément, Director, Multimodal Transportation Performance and Capacity Analysis, Economic Analysis and Reseach
• Joel Dei, Director, Rail Policy Analysis and Legislative Initiatives
• Jeffrey Johnson, Manager and Senior Policy Advisor, Environmental Policy
• Alain Langlois, Senior General Counsel and Executive Director, Transport and Infrastructure Legal Services
• Fabien Lefebvre, Acting Executive Director, Oceans Protection Plan Operations
• Julie Mah, Manager and Senior Policy Advisor, Oceans Protection Plan
• Vincent Millette, Director, National Air Services Policy
• Sonya Read, Director General, Marine Policy
• Sean Rogers, Executive Director, Legislative, Regulatory and International Affairs
• Colin Stacey, Director General, Air Policy
• Julie-Anne St-Cyr, Policy Advisor
National Research Council of Canada
• Marcel Turcot, Director General, Policy, Strategy and Performance
Privy Council Office
• Joël Girouard, Senior Privy Council Officer, Machinery of Government
• Rachel Pereira, Director, Democratic Institutions
Treasury Board Secretariat
• Nicole Thomas, Executive Director, Costing, Charging and Transfer Payments
Pursuant to the order of reference of Tuesday, May 2, 2023, the committee resumed consideration of Bill C-47, An Act to implement certain provisions of the budget tabled in Parliament on March 28, 2023.

The committee resumed its clause-by-clause study of the Bill.

Marty Morantz moved, — That the committee resume debate on the motion of Philip Lawrence moved on Friday, May 26, 2023 which read as follows:

That given the committee has yet to achieve its objective of obtaining 20 hours of witness testimony on Bill C-47, notwithstanding the motion adopted by this committee on May 16th, 2023, the committee allocate an additional 10 hours for witness testimony and that clause by clause begin immediately following the 20th hour of witness testimony.

After debate, the question was put on the motion and it was negatived on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Adam Chambers, Jasraj Singh Hallan, Marty Morantz, Rick Perkins, Gabriel Ste-Marie — 5;

NAYS: Yvan Baker, Terry Beech, Daniel Blaikie, Sophie Chatel, Heath MacDonald, Robert J. Morrissey — 6.

Marty Morantz moved, — That in relation to the motion adopted on May 16, 2023, the committee reaffirms its intention to receive a cumulative duration of 20 hours of testimony concerning Bill C-47, also known as the Budget Implementation Act No.1. However, irrespective of the aforementioned motion, it is ordered that the committee refrains from initiating the clause-by-clause examination of the bill until the committee has completed the full 20 hours of witness testimony and that once the committee has completed 20 hours of witness testimony clause by clause consideration being on the business day following the culmination of testimony.

Debate arose thereon.

Terry Beech moved, — That the debate be now adjourned.

The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Yvan Baker, Terry Beech, Daniel Blaikie, Sophie Chatel, Julie Dzerowicz, Heath MacDonald, Gabriel Ste-Marie — 7;

NAYS: Jasraj Singh Hallan, Marty Morantz, Rick Perkins, Doug Shipley — 4.

After debate, Clause 4 carried on division.

Clause 5 carried on division.

Clause 6 carried on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Yvan Baker, Terry Beech, Daniel Blaikie, Sophie Chatel, Julie Dzerowicz, Heath MacDonald, Gabriel Ste-Marie — 7;

NAYS: Jasraj Singh Hallan, Marty Morantz, Rick Perkins, Doug Shipley — 4.

Motion

Rick Perkins moved, — That the committee reiterate its desire to hear a total of 20 hours of testimony in relation to Bill C-47, Budget Implementation Act No.1, as agreed to on May 16, 2023, and notwithstanding that motion, the committee maintain it's goal of receiving 20 hours of witness testimony but not proceed with clause-by-clause consideration of the bill until the committee hears a minimum of 19 hours of witness testimony.

Debate arose thereon.

At 11:19 a.m., the sitting was suspended.

At 11:20 a.m., the sitting resumed.

The debate continued.

At 11:54 a.m., the sitting was suspended.

At 12:25 p.m., the sitting resumed.

The debate continued.

Motion

Rick Perkins moved, — That the debate be now adjourned.

RULING BY THE CHAIR

The Chair ruled the proposed motion out of order.

Whereupon, Daniel Blaikie appealed the decision of the Chair.

The question: "Shall the decision of the Chair be sustained?" was put and the decision was overturned on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Yvan Baker, Terry Beech, Sophie Chatel, Julie Dzerowicz, Heath MacDonald — 5;

NAYS: Mel Arnold, Daniel Blaikie, Adam Chambers, Marty Morantz, Rick Perkins, Gabriel Ste-Marie — 6.

The question was put on the motion of Rick Perkins and it was agreed to on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Mel Arnold, Yvan Baker, Terry Beech, Daniel Blaikie, Adam Chambers, Sophie Chatel, Julie Dzerowicz, Heath MacDonald, Marty Morantz, Rick Perkins, Gabriel Ste-Marie — 11;

NAYS: — 0.

At 1:01 p.m., the sitting was suspended.

At 1:08 p.m., the sitting resumed.

At 1:45 p.m., the sitting was suspended.

At 1:48 p.m., the sitting resumed.

At 1:49 p.m., the sitting was suspended.

At 1:51 p.m., the sitting resumed.

At 2:02 p.m., the sitting was suspended.

At 2:24 p.m., the sitting resumed.

At 2:27 p.m., the committee adjourned to the call of the Chair.



Alexandre Roger,
Alexandre (Sacha) Vassiliev
Clerks of the committee