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Minutes of Proceedings

Standing Committee on Public Safety and National Security (SECU)

44th Parliament, 1st Session

Meeting 54

Tuesday, December 13, 2022, 3:34 p.m. to Friday, February 3, 2023, 10:28 a.m.

Room 410, Wellington Building, 197 Sparks Street

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Presiding

Ron McKinnon, Chair (Liberal)

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Members of the Committee present

Liberal

Conservative

Bloc Québécois

Kristina Michaud

NDP

Alistair MacGregor

Acting Members present

• Vance Badawey for Pam Damoff (Liberal)

• Peter Fonseca for Tony Van Bynen (Liberal)

• Martin Shields for Raquel Dancho (Conservative)

Other Members present

• Tim Louis (Liberal)

In attendance

Library of Parliament

• Lyne Casavant, Analyst

• Pascale Robillard, Analyst

Meeting Requested by Four Members of the Committee to Discuss the need to rehear witnesses on the proposals contained in Amendment G-4 to Bill C-21

Pursuant to Standing Order 106(4), the committee commenced consideration of the request by four members of the committee to discuss the need to rehear witnesses on the proposals contained in Amendment G‑4 to Bill C‑21.

Motion

Kristina Michaud moved, — That the committee temporarily suspend the clause-by-clause study of Bill C‑21 and that it allocates two consecutive meetings to study the effects of amendment G‑4, beginning at the next committee meeting;

that the committee invite to testify the witnesses and experts that it deems necessary to hear in order to answer the questions raised by the new concepts added by the amendment G-4 and that the committee proceed according to the usual routine rules for the invitations of the selected witnesses; and

that upon completion of the testimonies, the committee resume its clause-by-clause consideration where it had been suspended and proceed according to the usual rules pursuant to Standing Order 75.

Amendment

Raquel Dancho moved, — That the motion be amended:

by replacing the word “two” with the following: “20”;

by replacing the words “amendment G-4, beginning at the next committee meeting” by the words “amendments G-4 and G-46 and that these meetings include committee travel across Canada, as soon as possible, to rural, northern and indigenous communities to hear from impacted individuals”;

by replacing the words “by the amendment G-4” by the words “by the amendments G-4 and G-46”; and

by adding after the words “That upon completion of the testimonies,” the following: “the Minister of Public Safety appear for four hours before” .

Debate arose thereon.

Subamendment

Alistair MacGregor moved, — That the motion be amended by replacing the word “20” with the following “eight”.

Debate arose thereon.

At 4:50 p.m., the sitting was suspended.

At 5:02 p.m., the sitting resumed.

The question was put on the subamendment of Alistair MacGregor and it was agreed to on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Raquel Dancho, Dane Lloyd, Alistair MacGregor, Kristina Michaud, Glen Motz, Doug Shipley — 6;

NAYS: Vance Badawey, Paul Chiang, Peter Fonseca, Taleeb Noormohamed, Peter Schiefke — 5.

The debate continued on the amendment, as amended.

Motion

Pam Damoff moved, — That the committee do now adjourn.

The question was put on the motion and it was negatived on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Vance Badawey, Paul Chiang, Peter Fonseca, Taleeb Noormohamed, Peter Schiefke — 5;

NAYS: Raquel Dancho, Dane Lloyd, Alistair MacGregor, Kristina Michaud, Glen Motz, Doug Shipley — 6.

At 5:33 p.m., the sitting was suspended.

At 9:35 a.m., on Friday, February 3, 2023, the sitting resumed.

Motion

By unanimous consent, Taleeb Noormohamed moved, — That in relation to clause-by-clause consideration of Bill C-21, an Act to amend certain Acts and to make certain consequential amendments (firearms), amendment G-4, currently under consideration by the committee, be deemed withdrawn; and that amendment G-46, which has not yet been moved, be deemed withdrawn from the package of amendments.

After debate, the question was put on the motion and it was agreed to.

The committee resumed consideration of the amendment, as amended, of Raquel Dancho to the motion of Kristina Michaud on Tuesday, December 13, 2022.

Subamendment

Kristina Michaud moved, — That the amendment be amended by replacing the word “eight” with the word “four”; by deleting the following: “and that these meetings include travel by the committee across Canada, as soon as possible, to rural, northern, and Indigenous communities to hear from impacted individuals”; and by replacing the words “for four hours” with the words “for one hour”.

Debate arose thereon.

The question was put on the subamendment of Kristina Michaud and it was agreed to, by a show of hands: YEAS: 7; NAYS: 4.

The question was put on the amendment of Raquel Dancho, as amended, and it was agreed to, by a show of hands: YEAS: 11; NAYS: 0.

The question was put on the motion, as amended, and it was agreed to, by a show of hands: YEAS: 11; NAYS: 0.

The motion, as amended, read as follows:

That the committee temporarily suspend the clause-by-clause study of Bill C-21 and that it allocate four consecutive meetings to study the effects of amendments G-4 and G-46;

that the committee invite to testify the witnesses and experts that it deems necessary to hear in order to answer the questions raised by the new concepts added by the amendments G-4 and G-46 and that the committee proceed according to the usual routine rules for the invitations of the selected witnesses; and

that upon completion of the testimonies, the Minister of Public Safety appear for one hour before the committee resumes its clause‑by‑clause consideration where it had been suspended and proceed according to the usual rules pursuant to Standing Order 75.

Motion

Glen Motz moved, — That the debate be now adjourned.

At 10:28 a.m., the committee adjourned to the call of the Chair.

Simon Larouche

Clerk of the committee