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Minutes of Proceedings

45th Parliament, 1st Session
Meeting 5
Friday, August 1, 2025, 12:02 p.m. to 5:34 p.m.
Televised
Presiding
Peter Schiefke, Chair (Liberal)

• Aaron Gunn for Dan Muys (Conservative)
• Patrick Weiler for Mike Kelloway (Liberal)
Library of Parliament
• Geneviève Gosselin, Analyst
• Marion Ménard, Analyst
• Hon. Chrystia Freeland, P.C., M.P., Minister of Transport and Internal Trade
• Hon. Gregor Robertson, P.C., M.P., Minister of Housing and Infrastructure
British Columbia Ferry Services Inc.
• Nicolas Jimenez, President and Chief Executive Officer
Canada Infrastructure Bank
• Ehren Cory, Chief Executive Officer
• Frédéric Duguay, General Counsel and Corporate Secretary
Department of Housing, Infrastructure and Communities
• Paul Halucha, Deputy Minister
Department of Transport
• Arun Thangaraj, Deputy Minister
• Stephanie Hébert, Assistant Deputy Minister, Programs
Pursuant to Standing Order 108(2) and the motion adopted by the committee on Monday, July 7, 2025, the committee commenced its study of the Canada Infrastructure Bank’s financing of new vessels for British Columbia Ferry Services Inc.

Minister Chrystia Freeland made a statement and answered questions.

At 1:04 p.m., the meeting was suspended.

At 1:10 p.m., the meeting resumed.

Minister Gregor Robertson made a statement and answered questions.

Leslyn Lewis gave notice of the following motion:

That, given that, the Canada Infrastructure Bank failed to fulfill its mandate in Section 6 of the Canada Infrastructure Bank Act, which states: “[t]he purpose of the Bank is to invest, and seek to attract investment from private sector investors and institutional investors, in infrastructure projects in Canada or partly in Canada that will generate revenue and that will be in the public interest by, for example, supporting conditions that foster economic growth or by contributing to the sustainability of infrastructure in Canada”, by awarding a $1-billion loan to British Columbia Ferries for the purchase of four ferries from a Chinese state-owned shipyard, and that this decision undermines Canadian shipbuilders, steel and aluminum workers already under attack by unjustified U.S. tariffs, the committee reaffirm its position and report to the House that the government of Canada abolish the Canada Infrastructure Bank.

Questioning of the witnesses resumed.

At 2:06 p.m., the meeting was suspended.

At 2:15 p.m., the meeting resumed.

Nicolas Jimenez made a statement and answered questions.

At 3:07 p.m., the meeting was suspended.

At 3:17 p.m., the meeting resumed.

Ehren Cory made a statement and answered questions.

Motion

Dan Albas moved, —

That, in relation to the committee's study of the Canada Infrastructure Bank's financing of new vessels for British Columbia Ferries, orders do issue:

(a) to the Canada Infrastructure Bank and British Columbia Ferry Services Inc. to produce the complete bond purchase agreement, entered into between those two entities on March 28, 2025, and which is disclosed on page 5 of BC Ferries' Management's Discussion & Analysis of Financial Condition and Financial Performance, published on Thursday, June 12, 2025;

(b) to British Columbia Ferry Services Inc. to produce:

(i) records outlining the particulars of all options which it explored for the acquisition of the four new vessels in question, including vendors, suppliers, shipyards, countries of origin and per unit prices,

(ii) the complete commercial agreement it entered into with either or both of China Merchants Jingling Shipyard (Weihai) Co. Ltd. or China Merchants Industry Weihai Shipyard Co., Ltd. for the construction of the four new vessels,

(iii) any agreements, contracts, memoranda of understanding, letters of intent or term sheets concerning the operation and maintenance of the four new vessels or of any systems, sub-systems or charging or other supporting infrastructure necessary for the vessels' operation,

(iv) any British Columbia Ferries internal decision-making post-Seaspan and Shirocca Consulting reports on ferry replacement, and

(v) any document unredacted under the Subject: New Major Vessels Evaluation Results: Preferred Proponent;

(c) to the Canada Infrastructure Bank, the Department of Housing, Infrastructure and Communities, including the office of its responsible minister, the Department of Transport, including the office of its responsible minister, the Department of Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness, including the office of its responsible minister, the Privy Council Office and the Office of the Prime Minister to produce all records, including agreements, memoranda of understanding, minutes of meetings or discussions and briefing notes or materials, concerning the Canada Infrastructure Bank's financing of BC Ferries projects, including specifically BC Ferries' acquisition of the four new vessels and related charging infrastructure; and

(d) to the Canada Infrastructure Bank, British Columbia Ferry Services Inc., the Department of Housing, Infrastructure and Communities, including the office of its responsible minister, the Department of Transport, including the office of its responsible minister, the Department of Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness, including the office of its responsible minister, the Privy Council Office and the Office of the Prime Minister to produce all correspondence, e-mails, text messages or any other electronic communications exchanged between any of them or between any of those federal government entities and the Government of British Columbia, since Sunday, January 1, 2023, in relation to British Columbia Ferries' acquisition of the four new vessels and related charging infrastructure, including any Canadian content requirements,  provided that,

(e) all documents shall be deposited with the clerk of the committee no later than Friday, August 29, 2025, in an unredacted format and, except as provided in paragraph (f), in both official languages, who shall distribute them to the members of the committee as soon as possible; and

(f) all documents deposited by British Columbia Ferry Services Inc. (i) may be deposited in their original language, (ii) be translated by the Translation Bureau, which the committee requests be done on a priority basis, by Friday, September 12, 2025, and (iii) shall be distributed by the clerk of the committee to the members of the committee as soon as the translations are available.

Debate arose thereon.

At 4:04 p.m., the meeting was suspended.

At 4:28 p.m., the meeting resumed.

The debate continued.

The question: "That the committee proceed to sit in camera." was put and was negatived on the following recorded division:

YEAS: — 0;

NAYS: Dan Albas, Xavier Barsalou-Duval, Will Greaves, Aaron Gunn, Mike Kelloway, Stéphane Lauzon, Philip Lawrence, Leslyn Lewis, Chi Nguyen — 9.

The debate continued on the motion of Dan Albas.

Amendment

Mike Kelloway moved, — That the motion be amended by adding, in paragraph (b)(iv), after the words “any document unredacted”, the words “except as pursuant to legal and legislative obligations”;

by deleting, in paragraph (c), the words “the Department of Housing, Infrastructure and Communities, including the office of its responsible minister, the Department of Transport, including the office of its responsible minister, the Department of Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness, including the office of its responsible minister, the Privy Council Office and the Office of the Prime Minister;

by deleting, in paragraph (d), the words “, the Department of Housing, Infrastructure and Communities, including the office of its responsible minister, the Department of Transport, including the office of its responsible minister, the Department of Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness, including the office of its responsible minister, the Privy Council Office and the Office of the Prime Minister; and

by adding, in paragraph (e), after the words “, in an unredacted format” the words “except as pursuant to legal and legislative obligations”.

Debate arose thereon.

A point of order was raised as to the procedural acceptability of the proposed amendment.

RULING BY THE CHAIR

The chair ruled the amendment admissible.

Whereupon, Dan Albas appealed the decision of the Chair.

The question: "Shall the decision of the Chair be sustained?" was put and was negatived on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Will Greaves, Mike Kelloway, Stéphane Lauzon, Chi Nguyen — 4;

NAYS: Dan Albas, Xavier Barsalou-Duval, Aaron Gunn, Philip Lawrence, Leslyn Lewis — 5.

The debate continued on the motion of Dan Albas.

At 4:59 p.m., the meeting was suspended.

At 5:06 p.m., the meeting resumed.

The debate continued on the motion.

A point of order was raised as to the procedural acceptability of ending debate when there are members who wish to speak.

RULING BY THE CHAIR

The Chair ruled that, as stated in Standing Order 116, debate may be brought to an end if a time limit has been adopted by the committee.

The debate continued on the motion of Dan Albas.

The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Dan Albas, Xavier Barsalou-Duval, Aaron Gunn, Philip Lawrence, Leslyn Lewis — 5;

NAYS: Will Greaves, Mike Kelloway, Stéphane Lauzon, Chi Nguyen — 4.

At 5:34 p.m., the committee adjourned to the call of the Chair.



Catherine Ngando Edimo
Committee clerk