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Minutes of Proceedings

Standing Committee on Public Safety and National Security (SECU)
44th Parliament, 1st Session
Meeting 54
Tuesday, December 13, 2022, 3:34 p.m. to Friday, February 3, 2023, 10:28 a.m.
Webcast
Presiding
Ron McKinnon, Chair (Liberal)

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• Vance Badawey for Pam Damoff (Liberal)
• Peter Fonseca for Tony Van Bynen (Liberal)
• Martin Shields for Raquel Dancho (Conservative)
• Tim Louis (Liberal)
Library of Parliament
• Lyne Casavant, Analyst
• Pascale Robillard, Analyst
Meeting Requested by Four Members of the Committee to Discuss the need to rehear witnesses on the proposals contained in Amendment G-4 to Bill C-21
Pursuant to Standing Order 106(4), the committee commenced consideration of the request by four members of the committee to discuss the need to rehear witnesses on the proposals contained in Amendment G‑4 to Bill C‑21.

Motion

Kristina Michaud moved, — That the committee temporarily suspend the clause-by-clause study of Bill C‑21 and that it allocates two consecutive meetings to study the effects of amendment G‑4, beginning at the next committee meeting.

That the committee invite to testify the witnesses and experts that it deems necessary to hear in order to answer the questions raised by the new concepts added by the amendment G-4 and that the committee proceed according to the usual routine rules for the invitations of the selected witnesses.

That upon completion of the testimonies, the committee resume its clause-by-clause consideration where it had been suspended and proceed according to the usual rules pursuant to Standing Order 75 of the House of Commons.

Amendment

Raquel Dancho moved, — That the committee temporarily suspend the clause-by-clause study of Bill C-21 and that it allocates twenty consecutive meetings to study the effects of amendments G-4 and G-46 and that these meetings include committee travel across Canada, as soon as possible, to rural, northern and indigenous communities to hear from impacted individuals.

That the committee invite to testify the witnesses and experts that it deems necessary to hear in order to answer the questions raised by the new concepts added by the amendments G-4 and G-46 and that the committee proceed according to the usual routine rules for the invitations of the selected witnesses.

That upon completion of the testimonies, the Minister of Public Safety appear for four hours before the committee resume its clause-by-clause consideration where it had been suspended and proceed according to the usual rules pursuant to Standing Order 75 of the House of Commons.

Debate arose thereon.

Subamendment

Alistair MacGregor moved, — That the motion be amended by replacing the words “twenty” with the following “eight”.

Debate arose thereon.

At 4:50 p.m., the sitting was suspended.

At 5:02 p.m., the sitting resumed.

The question was put on the subamendment of Alistair MacGregor and it was agreed to on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Raquel Dancho, Dane Lloyd, Alistair MacGregor, Kristina Michaud, Glen Motz, Doug Shipley — 6;

NAYS: Vance Badawey, Paul Chiang, Peter Fonseca, Taleeb Noormohamed, Peter Schiefke — 5.

The amendment, as amended, read as follows:

That the committee temporarily suspend the clause-by-clause study of Bill C‑21 and that it allocates eight consecutive meetings to study the effects of amendments G‑4 and G‑46 and that these meetings include committee travel across Canada, as soon as possible, to rural, northern and indigenous communities to hear from impacted individuals. That the committee invite to testify the witnesses and experts that it deems necessary to hear in order to answer the questions raised by the new concepts added by the amendments G‑4 and G‑46 and that the committee proceed according to the usual routine rules for the invitations of the selected witnesses. That upon completion of the testimonies, the Minister of Public Safety appear for four hours before the committee resume its clause-by-clause consideration where it had been suspended and proceed according to the usual rules pursuant to Standing Order 75 of the House of Commons.

The debate continued.

Motion

Pam Damoff moved, — That the committee do now adjourn.

The question was put on the motion and it was negatived on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Vance Badawey, Paul Chiang, Peter Fonseca, Taleeb Noormohamed, Peter Schiefke — 5;

NAYS: Raquel Dancho, Dane Lloyd, Alistair MacGregor, Kristina Michaud, Glen Motz, Doug Shipley — 6.

At 5:33 p.m., the sitting was suspended.

At 9:35 a.m., on Friday, February 3, 2023, the sitting resumed.

Motion

Glen Motz moved, — That the debate be now adjourned.

After debate, the question was put on the motion and it was negatived on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Vance Badawey, Paul Chiang, Peter Fonseca, Taleeb Noormohamed, Peter Schiefke — 5;

NAYS: Raquel Dancho, Dane Lloyd, Alistair MacGregor, Kristina Michaud, Glen Motz, Doug Shipley — 6.

At 10:28 a.m., the committee adjourned to the call of the Chair.



Simon Larouche
Clerk of the committee